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	<description>&#34;Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition&#34; Adam Smith.                                   A blog from a British doctor.</description>
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		<title>By: Measles - spot check from the HPA &#171; Northern Doctor</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/01/09/measles-oop-north/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Measles - spot check from the HPA &#171; Northern Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to lob at Jeni Barnett it doesn&#8217;t give the full picture for 2008. I posted about this (Measles oop north) in January and the real danger looked to be in April/May 2008 when measles was relentlessly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to lob at Jeni Barnett it doesn&#8217;t give the full picture for 2008. I posted about this (Measles oop north) in January and the real danger looked to be in April/May 2008 when measles was relentlessly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raging across the blogosphere &#171; Northern Doctor</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/01/09/measles-oop-north/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Raging across the blogosphere &#171; Northern Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have blogged re measles before here and here. The HPA have been feeding the BBC the figures but I am not sure that the HPA has provided [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have blogged re measles before here and here. The HPA have been feeding the BBC the figures but I am not sure that the HPA has provided [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Measles - spot the worrying trend &#171; Dr Aust&#8217;s Spleen</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/01/09/measles-oop-north/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Measles - spot the worrying trend &#171; Dr Aust&#8217;s Spleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogging GP Euan the Northern Doctor offers some analysis here. The story has also been well covered in the Bad Science Blogosphere by both jdc and by Martin the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lexin</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/01/09/measles-oop-north/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sympathise with you. 

Because I was so ill when I had measles, it&#039;s one of those areas where I have no patience at all for the arguments against vaccination, and I tend to go off like a bomb (red in the face, windmill arms, the whole bit) if someone suggests they even might not vaccinate their child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sympathise with you. </p>
<p>Because I was so ill when I had measles, it&#8217;s one of those areas where I have no patience at all for the arguments against vaccination, and I tend to go off like a bomb (red in the face, windmill arms, the whole bit) if someone suggests they even might not vaccinate their child.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/01/09/measles-oop-north/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator>draust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS  Oops, sorry - &#039;scuse the HTML</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS  Oops, sorry &#8211; &#8216;scuse the HTML</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/01/09/measles-oop-north/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>draust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re thinking of &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/the_team/newsid_7760000/7760891.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Sweeney&lt;/a&gt;, Euan. The clip of him losing it with the Scientologists (who are a pretty sinister lot) is around on Youtube, and in fact you can see the whole Panorama programme &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7922220836261464038&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  

On a lighter note, Sweeney wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Purple-Homicide-Loathing-Knutsford-Heath/dp/0747537755&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a very funny book about the Hamiltons&lt;/a&gt; (the former Tory MP for Knutsford &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Neil Hamilton&lt;/a&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Hamilton_(politician), unseated by Martin Bell in 1997, and his wife Christine), which is a jolly read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re thinking of <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/the_team/newsid_7760000/7760891.stm" rel="nofollow">John Sweeney</a>, Euan. The clip of him losing it with the Scientologists (who are a pretty sinister lot) is around on Youtube, and in fact you can see the whole Panorama programme <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7922220836261464038" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  </p>
<p>On a lighter note, Sweeney wrote <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Purple-Homicide-Loathing-Knutsford-Heath/dp/0747537755" rel="nofollow">a very funny book about the Hamiltons</a> (the former Tory MP for Knutsford <a href="" rel="nofollow">Neil Hamilton</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Hamilton_(politician)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Hamilton_(politician)</a>, unseated by Martin Bell in 1997, and his wife Christine), which is a jolly read.</p>
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		<title>By: northerndoctor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am usually the type who is quite happy to start a bunfight with anyone I have to confess I have really not delved into the vaccination/MMR arguments. 

I think this is probably because I retain just about enough self-awareness to know that I am not capable of exercising the necessary self-control to engage with them. Who was that BBC journo that freaked out at the scientology fruitloops? That could be me...

That is possibly what I admire most about people like Richard Dawkins (and it seems Peter Flegg). The ability to pursue a measured rationale argument in the face of the overwhelming primitive desire to bash some zealot with the nearest lump of mammoth poo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am usually the type who is quite happy to start a bunfight with anyone I have to confess I have really not delved into the vaccination/MMR arguments. </p>
<p>I think this is probably because I retain just about enough self-awareness to know that I am not capable of exercising the necessary self-control to engage with them. Who was that BBC journo that freaked out at the scientology fruitloops? That could be me&#8230;</p>
<p>That is possibly what I admire most about people like Richard Dawkins (and it seems Peter Flegg). The ability to pursue a measured rationale argument in the face of the overwhelming primitive desire to bash some zealot with the nearest lump of mammoth poo.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<dc:creator>draust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, with the way the trend is going, you may be seeing your measles before too long, Euan.

Talking of measles, vaccination, and the North-west  of England, an  
an honourable &quot;local hero&quot; mention should go to Peter Flegg, an Infectious Disease consultant from Blackpool who spends a fair amount of his time online patiently explaining risk-benefit (and related topics) to do with vaccination.

Of course, a lot of the people he is trying to explain it to are figuratively sat with their fingers stuck permanently in their ears while shouting &quot;nyeeah nyeeah nee nyeeah nyeeah, I can&#039;t hear you&quot; .

For a fairly recent example of both of these, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/337/oct01_3/a1856&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;try the thread here&lt;/a&gt;, where you will find him discussing the relative risks and benefits of vaccination vs actually catching measles, and manfully managing not to lose his rag with Jackie Fletcher of JABS and her equally crackers friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, with the way the trend is going, you may be seeing your measles before too long, Euan.</p>
<p>Talking of measles, vaccination, and the North-west  of England, an<br />
an honourable &#8220;local hero&#8221; mention should go to Peter Flegg, an Infectious Disease consultant from Blackpool who spends a fair amount of his time online patiently explaining risk-benefit (and related topics) to do with vaccination.</p>
<p>Of course, a lot of the people he is trying to explain it to are figuratively sat with their fingers stuck permanently in their ears while shouting &#8220;nyeeah nyeeah nee nyeeah nyeeah, I can&#8217;t hear you&#8221; .</p>
<p>For a fairly recent example of both of these, <a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/337/oct01_3/a1856" rel="nofollow">try the thread here</a>, where you will find him discussing the relative risks and benefits of vaccination vs actually catching measles, and manfully managing not to lose his rag with Jackie Fletcher of JABS and her equally crackers friends.</p>
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		<title>By: northerndoctor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope. Never seen measles. I graduated in 1997: so 10 years and a bit and no measles. I doubt if that is particularly unusual. It must have been around in the 70s but curiously I don&#039;t remember anyone with it either.
Thanks for the links Dr Aust - will take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. Never seen measles. I graduated in 1997: so 10 years and a bit and no measles. I doubt if that is particularly unusual. It must have been around in the 70s but curiously I don&#8217;t remember anyone with it either.<br />
Thanks for the links Dr Aust &#8211; will take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<dc:creator>draust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am another 60s child who had measles, but I was OK. Of course, the problem (from the POV of anti-vaccine scares) is that my experience is more common than Lexin&#039;s, as you would expect with the serious complication rate then applying. So people in his and my age group commonly tend to know people that had measles (them and all their friends) but who got better with no serious, or at least lasting, consequences. 

With the benefit of years that wipe away the memory of how lousy you felt at the time (again, unless, like Lexin, you were REALLY ill so that it became a &quot;life event&quot;) this gets remembered as &quot;I had measles, so did everyone I know, we were all fine&quot; (which may be accurate) and then translated on into &quot;measles is a totally harmless childhood illness&quot; (which of course is rubbish) .

There is a great article on this, and the underlying statistics, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2008/10/09/kielyed_1009.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. It is written by a retired epidemiologist who survived serious measles complications as a kid in the late 50s. The author blogs as &quot;EpiWonk&quot;, and has done a great job deconstructing the bullshit arguments of the MMR=horrors nitwits when they abuse epidemiology &lt;a href=&quot;http://epiwonk.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on his blog of the same name&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am another 60s child who had measles, but I was OK. Of course, the problem (from the POV of anti-vaccine scares) is that my experience is more common than Lexin&#8217;s, as you would expect with the serious complication rate then applying. So people in his and my age group commonly tend to know people that had measles (them and all their friends) but who got better with no serious, or at least lasting, consequences. </p>
<p>With the benefit of years that wipe away the memory of how lousy you felt at the time (again, unless, like Lexin, you were REALLY ill so that it became a &#8220;life event&#8221;) this gets remembered as &#8220;I had measles, so did everyone I know, we were all fine&#8221; (which may be accurate) and then translated on into &#8220;measles is a totally harmless childhood illness&#8221; (which of course is rubbish) .</p>
<p>There is a great article on this, and the underlying statistics, <a href="http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2008/10/09/kielyed_1009.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It is written by a retired epidemiologist who survived serious measles complications as a kid in the late 50s. The author blogs as &#8220;EpiWonk&#8221;, and has done a great job deconstructing the bullshit arguments of the MMR=horrors nitwits when they abuse epidemiology <a href="http://epiwonk.com/" rel="nofollow">on his blog of the same name</a>.</p>
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