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		<title>By: northerndoctor</title>
		<link>http://northerndoctor.com/2009/06/20/pulse-debate-on-acupuncture/#comment-902</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Aust,

You are too kind. I will post up my side of the argument and link to Pulse - I&#039;m sure they will be cool about it. 

Obviously, I had no idea of who was writing the other piece or what would be in it but there were a couple of nice symmetries. I liked the fact we had both been to the same BMAS course and the &#039;thousands of years&#039; gambit was not unanticipated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust,</p>
<p>You are too kind. I will post up my side of the argument and link to Pulse &#8211; I&#8217;m sure they will be cool about it. </p>
<p>Obviously, I had no idea of who was writing the other piece or what would be in it but there were a couple of nice symmetries. I liked the fact we had both been to the same BMAS course and the &#8216;thousands of years&#8217; gambit was not unanticipated.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful piece on acupuncture, Euan. Pity it&#039;s behind a &quot;reg-wall&quot;. Do you think &lt;i&gt;Pulse&lt;/i&gt; would get offended if you reproduced the whole thing here?

&lt;blockquote&gt;A casual and selective approach to evidence, allied to vigorous self-promotion, is a hallmark of the acupuncture lobby&#039;s approach to the literature.

Acupuncture relies on the faith-based collusion of expectation between acupuncturist and patient.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Beautifully put. And how many &quot;fringe medical&quot; CAM therapies could we apply that too? (All of them?).

Your opponent Dr Hamilton&#039;s &quot;No&quot; (pro-acupuncture) piece cracked me up. At times I though I was reading a spoof, so happily did it trot out all the usual hand-waves, platitudes and non-sequiturs.

&lt;blockquote&gt;That acupuncture is still regarded, by some, as a form of quackery is, to me and other GPs who use it, a matter of some surprise and amazement. It&#039;s a form of traditional medicine that has been practised and indeed raised to a fine art in China over thousands of years. &lt;i&gt;Surely no treatment would persist if it was not effective?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Hmm.  Surely no argument would hang around if it had been repeatedly and comprehensively debunked?

Sadly the reality is otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful piece on acupuncture, Euan. Pity it&#8217;s behind a &#8220;reg-wall&#8221;. Do you think <i>Pulse</i> would get offended if you reproduced the whole thing here?</p>
<blockquote><p>A casual and selective approach to evidence, allied to vigorous self-promotion, is a hallmark of the acupuncture lobby&#8217;s approach to the literature.</p>
<p>Acupuncture relies on the faith-based collusion of expectation between acupuncturist and patient.</p></blockquote>
<p>Beautifully put. And how many &#8220;fringe medical&#8221; CAM therapies could we apply that too? (All of them?).</p>
<p>Your opponent Dr Hamilton&#8217;s &#8220;No&#8221; (pro-acupuncture) piece cracked me up. At times I though I was reading a spoof, so happily did it trot out all the usual hand-waves, platitudes and non-sequiturs.</p>
<blockquote><p>That acupuncture is still regarded, by some, as a form of quackery is, to me and other GPs who use it, a matter of some surprise and amazement. It&#8217;s a form of traditional medicine that has been practised and indeed raised to a fine art in China over thousands of years. <i>Surely no treatment would persist if it was not effective?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm.  Surely no argument would hang around if it had been repeatedly and comprehensively debunked?</p>
<p>Sadly the reality is otherwise.</p>
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